I find this thread reassuring and helpful. Bye everyone. Nothing wrong with hanging out for a while after to see if the person is free after, but when it starts stretching into 45 minutes of that persons professional obligations you need to take a hint. Either way, the fact is that they arent making you a priority, so stop scanning no for signs and traces of a yes. AT the very least, we are going to go VERY low contact. Calling ahead was weird, heck, knocking on the door was weird, just come in. We slept at one anothers houses. Maybe in the past they've spent time with these people, but have felt ignored or left out, or like they were quiet and boring. Do you want a hand?. Thats theyre decision as an adult. Im lucky to live in nyc, where that is more likely to be understood. I have a friend who clearly, desperately wants to be in my social circle and has tried to push the issue in a number of ways. There are old social scars that still ache. In some social circles the friends will get together, but they won't always shoot out invites to every last person each time. Or if I say, to, in a completely made-up situation, to my dads sweet elderly Midwestern cousin, Oh sure come over for lunch the next time you have to be in town to go to the VA. Oh. Id say, just go ahead and ask. But its also something that should be communicated in the friendship. Cant reply to twomoogles here, so Im getting as close as I can. Generally, with close friends, I do the text and make plans like now approach. Like, dude. At this point, with another adult, I would definitely stop asking until I got some kind of positive movement from the other party. You can find other people who mesh with how you like to do things by being that person and modeling the behavior. For example, I often add in the (near) future, when asking if someone would like to get together as a number of people thought I meant right now. There are a lot of things to talk about in this world. The following conversation ensued: You could as well find out what his favorite movie is and go on to rent or buy it and ask if you guys can watch it at his place. Ha, intercultural differences around this kind of thing are a trip. To ask for the presence or participation of: invite friends to dinner; invite writers to a conference. Its not some kind of moral failing. I actually use this with people who are habitually late. I recognize that this is more my problem than theirs, but I like my budget! Part of the home visit dread in my life is the potential endlessness of it. In general, if a group seems genuinely cliquey, then think twice about inviting yourself along to something they're doing. but how was I supposed to know that anyone and everyone was welcome? And I wouldnt get to bake! There's a lot you can do to improve your social skills on your own - I wouldn't have made this site if I thought otherwise. The distinction I was trying to awkwardly makie was that a drop-in visit deprives those people who enjoy the lead up to hosting of that lead up (whether it comes in the form of fancy soap, baking, the chance to make DIY napkin holders, etc.). Most of my social contacts are on Twitter so theres a lot of very public conversation happening so my general thing is you dont talk about it in front of someone who was actually excluded, but its okay if they just werent specifically invited. Maybe Elizabeth could ask her sons teacher how kids in that age range and their families generally arrange this stuff at their school? I suppose the modern equivalent is mostly not responding to a text for six hours and then going whoops, phone was off. In general, I think friends should communicate about and establish the status quo on this matter at the point in their relationships where they are going over to each others houses routinely. Ill text before I leave home so that I know if theres any point in leaving on time or if I should aim to be late like they will probably be. Its one of those things that vary culturally and individually, though. So when I want to go hang out with him Ill message him (skype, steam, facebook, or text) and say hey is x date/time ok for me to come over and we can watch really amusing horror movies (we find scary stuff to be very entertaining). She said said I was the one getting married, I could invite whomever I wanted. But one doesn't overtly correct another either. In some cases, it might intimidate the guys, since in this situation you are the one leading the dance. I think showing her that you are aware of and respectful of her need for space will conversely whet her desire to spend more time with you. But in a city, where street parking is hard to find and the only option is to circle the block forever or else park in such a way that someones driveway is blocked (ahem, see my rant a few comments up), it just doesnt make any sense to do that unless you are specifically planning to visit the persons home before going out. I mind people seeing things that I put away when I know people are coming. B: Nice to see you! Thats what my partner says (the part about the very casual social culture with BBQs and fishing.) the idea that not being invited in no way reflects your relationship with that person? My phone was broken so I couldnt text, and I guess the sign of the times is that I didnt even think to use the landline! (or text) I may not be able to, either due to existing plans, or lack of remaining energy for interacting with humans. Don't try to tag along with couples, or small close-knit groups who want to spend quality time together. I dont like surprises so thats the bad part. (And the good thing is you can be like Im going to be in the CBD today, who wants to get lunch? or can someone come visit me this week and Ill make cookies, studyings driving me up the wall.). My son, who is 7, has a best friend at school that he adores. We should still be friends!. There was someone who I was expecting at, say, 1 PM, and she didnt turn up until 9, and it scared the crap out of me, because it was after dark andsurprise!SHE DIDNT CALL TO INFORM ME. Someone surprises me at home: invasion of my precious and rare me-time. The answer is, "It depends". After the length of time it takes to drink one cup of tea, you must make polite noises about going. Friendship break-ups are awkward and hard and with lots of ambiguity. Another thing to keep in mind is to be explicit about when you plan to come and leave so that he does not feel overwhelmed. Answer (1 of 6): "I'm sorry, but I wasn't aware that I'd issued an invitation. *exception for family. Seconded! Usually I like things planned out in advance and double or triple checked. Show up with boyfriend to events that no other SO was invited to CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE MADE PLANS TO SEE A FUNNY MOVIE. Im just better at saying No, this isnt a good time, Ill catch you online later, bye now! Or kids may not be up to remembering that they cant schedule for X day/time because actually theyre supposed to be doing something else that was scheduled ages ago; yay timetable clashes! Im in the area. Is asking. Its definitely been the type of thing where they expect four people to join them for their birthday dinner and BAM, Clueless Cousin is there already. Needless to say, the other person they were secretly dating turned up while I was still there. Ha! It's one thing to show up at a party, it's another to insert yourself into a four-day excursion. It's also a good way to practice self-care, by saving your time and attention for people who reciprocate. He isnt a part of me, you know, hes another person that you can invite or not, and Im not a mind reader to know you want him there unless you, well, say so specifically. You can go on and be as creative as possible and If you are good at your cooking game they will definitely be impressed if they say yes to your invitation. A little heyyy Im gonna be about an hour or so late! wouldnt go amiss, would it? Myself I like more notice. I would add one small nugget. Maybe they were being good guests, maybe they were grateful for a way to feel involved, maybe they thought they were bribing the GM to be kind on the next critical botch. Look, there's a good chance if she's agreed to come over, you'll end up in bed together, and the last thing you want is to bring her into a lair of disarray. Hi! I am generally the organiser of things in my social life and I normally follow the ask twice guideline that the Captain mentions with the occasional rinse and repeat in a month or two if I hear nothing and still want to see that person. But you were not invited to this house for dinner and the fact that I am able to feed the person I am dating when they come over does not mean I am able or willing to extend my food budget to cover whatever rando happens to turn up at the door. This situation really shook me. Would you be up for that? It makes foreigners crazy. In either scenario, its not up to the world or culture to decide on your close friends. Eventually the pursued individual just grows weary of all the unwanted attention, and starts responding sharply (if they respond at all) when the other person wont gracefully take the hint and back off. It helps to hear that this was inappropriate. But I could be wrong! If a bunch of friends are planning a road trip or going camping. But it was one of the hugest fights of a very fighty relationship. There is no amount of money that exists that would get me to play softball (Gym class PTSD). *I would guess that she is more open to work-visits because there is a built-in time limit to the visit. But arkadyrose was talking about wedding with one person and another person inserted themself into the conversation. Brief excerpts (<250 words) may be shared with attribution & a link to the original post. Imagine you are friendly but not close friends with all of these people, and lets look at whats good inviting yourself and bad inviting yourself behavior. I can definitely see where youre coming from with all this. If an event just seems like the organizers want to keep it small. I havent seen anyone else since I got stuck here, and it is horrible, but Im vulnerable, and need to enforce my boundaries for the time being. In my poly case, my fraughtness has mostly been with my partners wife, but my partner and I could have had the same sort of issues earlier on in our relationship its all about transitions from guest to almost-cohabiting family, and about where people are comfortable with the relationships going on that scale. Its like I had been taking math tests all my life under the impression that being good at math meant that I was supposed to just intuit the answer, and that doing anything to figure it out was cheating and then finding out that Im allowed to actually use math! Gah. Im coming in late and have enjoyed looking at the different takes on dropping by. And its hard to weasel someone away from the group for that kind of thing? Anything less clear than that (ME: What are you doing after kickball? / THEM: Were going to the Pun-Off!), and I assume that I am not invited. My friends had it even worse with a guy who would show up at their house literally hours early. Sometimes she was angry, and Id apologize. If it isn't, call him rather than send a text to invite him over. But why do you want them to walk from their car to your door and back again regardless of the weather? Pare it down to the necessities. And Im usually ok w/ that. You feel ratty, harassed, and youre frantically trying to make it look as if you do pay more than rudimentary attention to the housework if only to stave of questions about whether youre coping. Answer: Fundamental Rule of Life: "Ask and ye [she]shall receive." But be careful what you ask for. (Im not saying they were saying that, or that youre wrong to feel affronted, just giving my read). But I do mind when people try to invite themselves along when I already have plans, or show up unannounced when Im entertaining someone else and then give me shit about what I do on my own time, in my own house. by themselves. And started pointedly talking about being hungry around 7pm. I am so so glad I never lived in those days, and that people who know me understand that Hello friend, I am here now, drop the thing you were doing and climb stairs and corral pets and get dressed if you werent wearing something street-appropriate and break your focus because after all, it will only be for a chat on the front porch! does not fill me with joy. I have appointments, errands, etc.). Have at. Tell him that you are tipsy and that you dont feel comfortable driving home in this state. Sometimes I hurt or feel bad, and it is supposedly my day off, so I take a nap, and I want to be left alone while I nap. All the needs to happen after that is showing up, right? No one needs to know how I live.). But you might have luck with at least some friends. At other times it's more inappropriate. Repairing this friendship might involve giving your friend some space, planning things more in advance (Hey, Im picking up my mail tomorrow at 2pm, do you have time for a quick visitthen?), and in not going to her house unless she specifically invites you there. It would be lovely to not have fear and anxiety due to an upbringing that showed me that I had no right to privacy, and choices or control over my life. I *definitely* wouldnt invite myself to someones house in that situation (even if in years past it seemed like I was welcome to do so). In general, guys are simple-minded and you will have to steer them in the direction you want. So we talk about plans past and future all the time and we expect people not to be weird about it. Exactly that last sentence. Which goes to show how very individual the boundaries are. And if Im hiring a band and a caterer. I really resent it. One time I asked about the price of something, and she gave me the Miss Manners stare for asking such a nosy question. hut it's in the files, of course." They had got back to the door . But I didnt tell her I was in the area. If Son and T are friends, cant Son invite T over himself? And my mother in particular telling me to get over it if I express displeasure with her dropping in. 1. Even worse, for me, than people who show up at my door without warning and expect to be let in are people who show up my door without warning and expect me to come out. Lets say you were completely wrong when you showed off your new bicycle, and lets say your friend told you so. So anyone else asking for hugs is probably gonna be met with side eye. Basically, if they are young/less able enough to still need adult support for any aspect of getting to/getting through a visit, they cant necessarily sort out an invite unfortunately. But in Small Town, on the rare occasions when it wasnt a good time for hanging out, no matter how low-grade, it was very hard to say that in a socially acceptable way. Itturned out ok, but I sort of wish I had subsequently invited one or two other people, because it was kinda weird to travel with this guy (he wasnt even a CLOSE friend, I have NO CLUE what he was thinking). why didnt you tell me?? Or Im burnt out and demand me time just because. Ha, I grew up in a similar neighborhood culture- but in kind of a hippie community where there were few fences and a lot of windows. Down. If the floor isnt crunchy, the table isnt sticky, and all of the furniture in the house is usable as furniture, Im ready for company! LOL! I then, with friends who I had invited, discussed details of the plans and ideas and asked for opinions. I personally would lean toward expecting people at least 5-10 minutes early or late and talk to them if they go beyond that and its a problem. If it happens again, rinse and repeat. This Is How To Invite Yourself Over To His House, English Conversation Practice - Inviting Someone to the Bar, This Is How To Initiate Physical Contact With A Shy Guy, This Is How Many Dates Before Inviting Him Over. And no expectations of hospitality or cleaning, just hey, was passing and saw you were home! It was always tacitly acknowledged that it was literally a Hi/bye!. This was a bigger issue for my girlfriend at the time, but after a certain time hospitality would dictate that we offer food or drink, which extends the visit and expends house resources. If its someone I havent seen in a while who is finally back in town and a surprise its both good and bad. If she cries at you? (when i say something i would have expected to be invited to i mean something others in a similar or seemingly less close relationship with them were invited to. Remember to be also clear about when you intend to arrive and take your leave so that he does not feel bombarded. It should be noted that I live in an area with notoriously shit cell reception, so sometimes people cant text or call. I felt like this was sort of a default thing that everyone did until I met a friend of a friend and we became semi-close. It conveys a message that you are not even expecting to be invited, seeing as you are going to hear all about if afterwards. It didnt affect our friendship negatively at all, just clarified a boundary. Its a shame, but its actually easier to break up from romantic relationships than from friendship ones. The point is to let them know that someone is at home, yet while not opening the door to a potential home invasion. Ideally, if possible, you should be on the look-out for their car and come out as soon as you see them. In the rare event that Im having chill-out time, thats because Im desperately in need of doing nothing / reading / watching Dr Who with my kids, and the last thing in the world I want is to have to interact with another person. I will take five minutes to make sure the chairs and table are usable and that there are no bras hanging to dry or sex toys sitting out in common areas. Its up to the visitor to remain mindful of the length of their visit (and the potential impact on others) so as not to overstay their welcome. Sometimes if you give me the advice I will bite your head off. I would have just asked him to entertain himself while I was finishing up whatever or getting ready for whatever. And if that doesn't work, then simply tell him the truth. I wow. When that was the case, they happily acquiesced. Id rather get a text than have them come down the steep staircase to get me, or have to keep running up those stairs to see if theyve arrived. Its shame cleaning for me, because although I have battled my way out of squalor, my day-to-day living situation is still a good few degrees below what most people consider lived-in levels of clutter. Its never occurred to me that anyone would find it rude! You could for instance say, I would like to invite you over to my place but my roommate is not so cool with that . An unannounced home-visit, however, doesnt have a built-in time limit, and this might be part of the reason she is not open to them. People actually try to invite themselves on your vacations? Go to a bar or a party that is near his house. I have been trying to explain to her that she cant invite herself to her friends places and she has not been really getting why. Dearest LW, please be sure to not only ensure a friend has availability, but also interest, combined with a way for them to graciously say no. STOP THAT, PEOPLE. I love living in a super duper access controlled building where people have to call up to be let in because it makes it oh so easy to not be in to visitors without actually saying the words Right now I would rather stare at a wall than interact with you, because no one takes those words well even when they are true. If you are not an excellent cook, then dont be discouraged. @lizzieonawhim: Ugh, yes. Oops, LW I just realised I misread that, and you are friends rather than workmates. I suppose it amounts to the same thingI didnt get to do the prep I would have preferred tobut since the LW is worried about missing nuances, I thought it would be good to offer another POV/reason for not wanting a drop in, lest LW have a friend who keeps a spic-and-span house all the time and LW assume that means drop-ins for that person are okay. Good for you for making them fix it. Do you want to? Im used to my home being PRIVATE space. Thats not happening in my world unless the huggee is my SO or dearest friend. I have a Facebook account with a lot of people friended but rarely log in, so I miss things from time to time because people assume that, if youre on their friends list, you will see their posts. If I dont know someone is comming the floor will probably be under a few layers of clothes and I might be unable to socialize at the moment, even if I would have loved to hang out if I had gotten time to mentaly prepare for it. Sometimes an hour early. Ill only use that one if I know that friend in question will be able to say no and we can laugh it off, and usually give an out. c. Dirty Dishes. If he was on his way somewhere else then I could expect it to be short, but it could also turn into a give a mouse a cookie situation pretty quickly. In-laws decided to visit. If someone is dropping by all the time I would get annoyed, and it makes me nervous about the friendship because of reasons I talk about below. So then I instinctively want to police myself away from being That Person, etc.). Well, one way is not to mention things to people if theyre not invited. Does it matter that T did come to my sons birthday party (not at our house) last week? Day. I dont know why, still. Asking a little in advance gives me a chance to refuse if Im busy or say yes enthusiastically (and shame-clean) if Im not. It can be terrifying to have an unexpected knock on the door. It will be 6pm and we can have dinner. Your cousins tantrums are telling you something, here. talked about what to do if someone seems open to making plans initially, but you never actually seem to make plans, Questioning Questions | Aceso Under Glass, Follow CaptainAwkward.com on WordPress.com. I thought I was so bad at reading people, but it turns out that Im completely average. Youre going to show our friend the bike and then ride away on your bike. With friends along! If you want to build that kind of social situation into your norms then its (JUST) up to you to tell your friends to stop by whenever theyre in your area. 1600, masturbate to porn; 1630, cleanup; 1700, SO arrives. So if any of the people they had carefully arranged in their schedule/chessboard had the temerity to break pattern and show up early or try to clean under the bed or anything that threatened to bring the two sides of their lives together theyd explode with rageand since they couldnt talk about the actual cause of their anger, they often used bullshit nonsensical excuses, like, When you sweep for dustbunnies under the bed it implies you think Im a disgusting person. (Instead of: that is where I keep evidence about my affairs. So yeah, no, I dont invite myself along to anything again ever. Just as we should all do our best to remember that judging people for a less-than-Monica-level clean home is not OK, its also sort of uncool to judge the Monicas of the world. People arguing to come over when I dont want them. Me and my best friend, whose kids are really close with my kids, have our kids on opposite weekends Theres often the necessity of figuring out Okay is {kid} at her moms this weekend or her dads? I am good at putting on the Social Face when I have to, but Ill be damned if I will summon it just because someone decided to drop in for the heck of it. And when someone turns up unannounced, without invitation, I do worry that the person might have a wildly different balance of needs to me, and that responding positively the first time sets up a precedent and an understanding that I am Cool With That. To continue with dating parallels, I figure, if a social acquaintance likes me, they will act like they like me. Re: Purple0 (sorry nesting fail) ), and enthusiastically said shes be there. It hurts so much, LW, and Im so sorry this is happening to you. (I mean, my house is my Fortress of Solitude, and I can be super grumpy if Im interrupted in the middle of something by my phone, but unless underlying issues are at play, even I the Queen of the Solitary Grumpies here am never going to reply to a self-invite with Dude, totally inappropriate! rather than just, Nope, not gonna work right now.) Talk about it with her if youd like; let her slow-fade quietly on out if youd like; find a new awesome person to enjoy riding with. Home vs. work,surprise! vs. planned, andyou inviting yourself vs. her inviting you,speak to escalating levels of intimacy. I dont even know how to make polite noises. Call first. I have mild recurring plantar fascitis, so standing can get uncomfortable. WITHOUT offering up an alternative or making a visible effort to make something happen. She ran into the same person a couple of weeks later and it turned out it was a dinner party, she was the sixth guest, they waited two hours for her and dinner was ruined. I want you! The need to suddenly clean would discomfit me, sure, but I would be more bothered by some of the above. I like to be alone. This happens here every. Offer him an idea or a suggestion on what to do or what you would like to do at his residence. It didnt occur to me that that was what I was doing, I was just excited, dont get to see her much, and the bike shop is close to her home. I mind people looking at my mess! Are you going to start showing up at my home when I was counting on alone time and I look like a raggedy doofus because Im wearing an old tank top and a sports bra? Good one AthenaC! I didnt mean to derail the conversation about unexpected visits into a separate thread on the shame some experience re: cleaning. You may say something like, "That sounds great. I am firmly in camp Ask, but my midwestern relatives are not. [6] 3 Make a list of everything you want to pack. But since were all contributing our opinions on drop-in culture, Ill say I love it. It still doesnt necessarily reflect your relationship with someone though. A ton of people who have executive function issues for various reasons struggle with guilt at their inability to meet this standard at all times, so they dont want to let others into their house without achieving that basic cleanliness level first. is way more hassle than Hes here; Im leaving now especially since Im usually fleeing with a handful of stuff that hasnt quite made it into my purse yet. You get your period " Honestly why the f*ck doesn't he have tampons?" "Oh my god, my. Ive had a personal experience with a partner that lived a very compartmentalized life because lets just say. Ooh I hadnt made that connection between eating and cleaning. And my husband, who works from home and had not planned to eat lunch with us because he is working, has to let you in and entertain you. You, therefore, dont have to feel embarrassed about taking the bold step as it is perfectly fine. 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